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  • Activists: 'If democracy in Iraq is anything like it is here, they are better off without it.'

       June 24, 2004

    The headline in today's Capital Times (Madison, WI) says it all "Peace activists find no peace in visit to Iraq." Could this be, perhaps, because there's a war going on?

    Marion Stuenkel, of the Wisconsin Network for Peace and Justice, comes back from Iraq full of sound and fury. She says Fallujah was her "My Lai":

    We were committing a massacre in Fallujah," she said.
    "The soldiers are going to come home after doing terrible things. They are going to come home to us broken."

    If we were killing terrorists in Fallujah, is that a bad thing? At all? In any case, the activists go on to accuse American soldiers of looting and, worst of all, of causing Iraqi children to not be able to sleep at night! They offer no proof other than their hysterical rantings and allegations that the media is lying. I'll agree with them about the media, but I sincerely doubt they're making the situation in Iraq look better than it is.

    Here's the worst part of the article:

    During a question-and-answer session, a young man in the crowd asked what to make of the idea that America is exporting democracy to Iraq.
    Activist and Vietnam veteran Will Williams, sitting in the back of the room, piped up.
    America is governed by powerful corporations that pull the strings of its politicians, he said. Before the war in Iraq there were protests around the world, and the people were ignored.
    "If democracy in Iraq is anything like it is here, they are better off without it."

    "The people" were ignored before the war? Uh, no. Most Americans agreed with the decision to go to war. Just because you disagree with the majority doesn't mean that democracy doesn't work. It means you were overruled. Plus, the "around the world" part of that sentence doesn't cut it. France & Germany don't control our foreign policy. Thank God.

    Like most leftists, these activists only see democracy as working when they get their own way. They deny that any individual can honestly disagree with them. When somone does disagree, they're dismissed as a tool of "corporations". They remind me of nothing so much as whiny children denied their demands. So, instead, they stamp their feet and hold their breaths until they get their way.

    These people hate America. They think America is an awful place. So awful that, in fact, they believe an Iraq abandoned to terrorists, mullahs and Saddam's henchmen would be a better place than America. Seriously.

    What's almost funny is that if, God forbid, one of them would have been captured by terrorists, the terrorists would still hate them. The terrorists would still kill them. And, the Americans they so despise would still be filled with anger. The Americans they despise would want to avenge their deaths. The Americans they despise are the ones who will make Iraq free enough that someday, Iraqi leftists can follow in their footsteps.

    Posted by at June 24, 2004 09:20 AM

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    #  March 7th, 2005 6:48 PM      Converted_Comment
    Converted comment: Posted by: FilthyMcNasty at June 25, 2004 10:06 AM

    "If democracy in Iraq is anything like it is here, they are better off without it."

    Spoken like a true elitist lefty. Too bad Williams left so many brain cells back in Nam.

    #  March 7th, 2005 6:48 PM      Converted_Comment
    Converted comment: Posted by: Aaron at June 28, 2004 01:30 AM

    I think these people are just "fight the power" people. The protester of the 60s have been so romanticised that these people want to be like them no matter what the facts say. They see the government as an evil power that must be defeated even though by doing so they end up supporting a much more evil "power."

    #  March 7th, 2005 6:48 PM      Converted_Comment
    Converted comment: Posted by: Jacob at July 3, 2004 02:49 PM

    Please go to the web site of the Christian Peace Makers team with whom Marion Stuenkel went as a delegate to Iraq. It may address some of your thoughts.




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