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  • A Valentine from the Gipper

       February 14, 2008


    Posted by kris at February 14, 2008 08:24 AM

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    #  February 15th, 2008 12:50 PM      Wimpeachment
    Oh, be still my heart... A man who was against torture, created the second largest deficit in history, hated gays, took credit for tearing down a wall that wasn't even in Russia, took credit for making peace with Gorbachev even though peace had been well on the way for years prior to Raygun's efforts to make peace. Oh, be still my heart. The guy made it his last dying effort to make sure we were broker than hell before he left office to Bush daddy.

    Thank you for the oh-so-delicious memories, Ronnie!  
     
    #  February 15th, 2008 12:55 PM      kris
    You are so ignorant on so many levels. Just one example:

    it has been remarked upon before, it is worth emphasizing again the important role that Ronald Reagan played in the defeat of the Briggs Initiative. In 1978, John Briggs, a conservative Republican Senator from Orange County, sponsored Proposition 6 for the November ballot. Prop. 6 would have barred gays and lesbians from employment as public school teachers, and would also have led to the dismissal of those straight teachers who spoke out (even outside the classroom) in favor of gay rights.

    By the late 1970s, the anti-gay rights movement (personified by former Miss America Anita Bryant) had had a number of successes around the country in passing anti-gay legislation. Using the slogan "Save Our Children", Bryant inspired the Briggs Initiative. In the summer of '78, Prop. 6 led in the polls by a comfortable margin. The nascent gay rights movement (led in California by San Francisco Supervisor Harvey Milk) fought desperately, but seemed headed for disaster. No prominent conservatives opposed John Briggs. None, that is, until Ronald Reagan came out publicly against Prop 6. He did so after a meeting with David Mixner (later a Clinton Administration figure) in the fall. Bill Boyarsky writes in today's LA Times:

    The anti-Briggs forces badly needed to win a prominent conservative supporter to their side and, against all odds, hoped it would be Reagan. They felt that the witch-hunting aspects of the initiative would offend his respect for legal institutions, and they were aware that he and his wife, Nancy, had long associated with gays in their years in Hollywood— but they worried that it would be a difficult political position for a conservative leader hoping to run for president to take.

    Reagan met with initiative opponents, studied their material and, ultimately, at the risk of offending his anti-gay supporters in the coming presidential election, wrote in his newspaper column: "I don't approve of teaching a so-called gay life style in our schools, but there is already adequate legal machinery to deal with such problems if and when they arise."

    His opposition turned public opinion around, and the measure lost with 42% of the vote.

    Jonathan Rauch, a well-known advocate for gay marriage, writes that Mr. Reagan single-handedly turned the tide against the measure. Reagan gave political cover to those in the "silent majority" who might have been uncomfortable with homosexuality, but who were even more uncomfortable with outright bigotry. Three weeks after the defeat of the Briggs Initiative, Harvey Milk was assassinated in San Francisco's City Hall. Thus in the same month, November 1978, the GLBT movement in America won its first great victory at the ballot box, and gained its first martyr. In the first of these, there is no denying that Ronald Reagan played a crucial part. In this, he was on the right side of justice and history.
     
     
    #  February 15th, 2008 1:18 PM      Wimpeachment
    Ignorance is why I'm here

    As posted on SFGate (a conservative news website): Link: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?
    file=/chronicle/archive/2004/06/08/EDG777163F1.DTL


    As America remembers the life of Ronald Reagan, it must never forget his shameful abdication of leadership in the fight against AIDS. History may ultimately judge his presidency by the thousands who have and will die of AIDS.

    Following discovery of the first cases in 1981, it soon became clear a national health crisis was developing. But President Reagan's response was "halting and ineffective," according to his biographer Lou Cannon. Those infected initially with this mysterious disease all gay men found themselves targeted with an unprecedented level of mean-spirited hostility.

    A significant source of Reagan's support came from the newly identified religious right and the Moral Majority, a political-action group founded by the Rev. Jerry Falwell. AIDS became the tool, and gay men the target, for the politics of fear, hate and discrimination. Falwell said "AIDS is the wrath of God upon homosexuals." Reagan's communications director Pat Buchanan argued that AIDS is "nature's revenge on gay men."  
     
    #  February 15th, 2008 1:23 PM      kris
    To be sure, Reagan dropped the ball on AIDS. It was a failure of his Presidency. However, it and the views of some of his supporters in no way proves that Reagan "hated gays" as you stated.  
     
    #  February 15th, 2008 1:29 PM      BVBigBro
    No one abdicated leadership against AIDS more than gays. To select any individual as warranting note, beyond perhaps Gaetan Dugas, is foolish.  
     
    #  February 15th, 2008 1:33 PM      kris
    It's true that the gay community did not initially react well to AIDS, but their inaction and foolishness doesn't mean that Reagan didn't do the same thing - if for different reasons.  
     
    #  February 15th, 2008 1:52 PM      james
    I'm no AIDS historian, but my understanding is that back in the early 80's, the scientific establishment didn't even know what AIDS was, nor had they identified it as an actual disease. All that was known was than some people were coming down with a collection of symptoms, including pneumonia, purple lesions, etc, and that many of those afflicted happened to be homosexual men. It's very easy to look back and fault Reagan for not reacting differently - after all, you have an additional 30 years of scientific research to cite. At the time, however, many if not most people would have reacted in the exact same way.


    I don't know what sort of business you're in, Mr. Troll, but your criticism is no different than pointing to the molecular structure of a drug that cost $20 billion to develop and saying "why did it take so long? why did it cost so much? the structure is so simple!"

    Research takes time. Reaction requires research.

    It might interest you to know AIDS is still not well defined - we know that it's a collection of symptoms always found along with the HIV virus. The tricky part is that HIV doesn't always lead to AIDS, so it's technically incorrect to say that HIV causes AIDS. In fact, there is a minority opinion (albeit a very small one) that holds that HIV does not cause AIDS, but instead some other factor, chemical or environmental, triggers the disease.

     
     
    #  February 15th, 2008 3:31 PM      KVBigSis
    Once the scientists with the money turned their attention to AIDS, HIV was identified rapidly.

    Reagan failed. The National Institutes of Health failed. Congress failed. The news media failed, because no one was interested in a disease that affected only gays. Gay leadership that saw AIDS as a public relations problem, not a public health problem, failed. The Red Cross did more than fail - they actively cooperated in what amounts to the murder of hemophiliacs and blood transfusion recipients.

    The story of AIDS is a tragic story of failure, puncuated occasionally by the triumphs of individuals and organizations who tried to do the right thing.  
     
    #  February 15th, 2008 7:45 PM      cherlynda
    Well said Big Sis  
     

     

     


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