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       January 24, 2010

    The Vikings Super Bowl threat level is now green.


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    #  January 24th, 2010 9:38 PM      BVBigBro
    Two picks, a fumble and a 70 passer rating. That's the Brett we know.  
     
    #  January 24th, 2010 9:40 PM      kris
    If he does actually retire then his last pass with the 'Queens will be an interception, just like with the Packers. Heh.

    Also - I assume he'll cry "injury", but if not, he and Aaron Rodgers will be the QBs in the Pro Bowl next week. Awkward!  
     
    #  January 24th, 2010 9:42 PM      KVBigSis
    Kris, you've been living in MN too long. The threat level was ALWAYS green.  
     
    #  January 24th, 2010 9:48 PM      kris
    Ha! You're probably right. But just think about how awful it would have been if they had actually won?  
     
    #  January 24th, 2010 9:48 PM      BVBigBro
    The game's been over for 20 minutes and they still haven't interviewed him. Favre must really be crying.  
     
    #  January 24th, 2010 9:50 PM      kris
    oh please, that motherfavring drama queen would never pass up the opportunity to show his "passion for the game" on camera.

    I'm enjoying this so much that I might actually watch the local news for the first time ever.  
     
    #  January 24th, 2010 9:56 PM      kris
    Hey, did you guys know that Peyton Manning was from New Orleans?  
     
    #  January 24th, 2010 9:59 PM      kris
     
     
    #  January 24th, 2010 10:45 PM      james
    According to a comment here:


    Brett's last 5 trips to the playoffs:

    2010 - Throws pick w/ 15 sec. left vs Saints

    2008 - Throws bad pick in OT vs. Giants at home to lose shot at SB

    2005 - 4 picks in loss at home to Queens

    2004 - Chuck-n-duck floater INT to lose to Eagles

    2003 - 20/42 w/ 2 INTs vs Falcons for 1st playoff loss in GB history

    2002 - 6 INTs to single-handedly lose to Rams
     
     
    #  January 24th, 2010 10:51 PM      kris
    the Vikings got exactly what they deserved and should have expected  
     
    #  January 24th, 2010 10:52 PM      kris
    Wait, why are the Vikings fans crying about the coin toss? Really?  
     
    #  January 24th, 2010 11:15 PM      james
    This story has some fun comments on it. I hope some of them are in jest.

    Some favorites:

    About that "third touchdown" the Saints had.....
    The runners knee was on the ground at the 3 yard line...can we say a Vegas rig? And why does the NFL headquarters have such a bias against the Vikings? This game was rigged from the start.


    I hate this team!!! I told you all!!!
    I've been telling you all season this team sucks!!! They will find a way every year to destroy us! I hate them, I hate them all so much, this team is a joke!


    Favre lost this one......
    Vikings dominated. Handed the victory to the Saints with all them turnovers. What a Shame!!! What was Favre thinking? He had at least 10 yards up the field, with a shot at a short field goal. This sucks!!!!



    I hate MN teams
    Why do we even spend our money to support them - another disappointment!
     
     
    #  January 24th, 2010 11:17 PM      james
    Since the day Favre signed with the Vikings I've been telling my Minnesota friends that it would end exactly like this - that Favre would get frustrated in the playoffs and throw an INT to end the season. Oh, how nice it feels to be so right!

    Now, bring on the "will he or won't he come back" drama. Let Favre hold the Vikings hostage for an off season. Then they'll have the full experience.  
     
    #  January 24th, 2010 11:23 PM      james
    More quotes

    Bought and paid for!
    I would guess that the Saints will be fined over $100,000 for all the illegal hits that they made on Farve during the game. It was obvious that they were trying to injure him all throughout the game. They don't care with all the money they are paid, they can play dirty and pay. I saw at least 3 illegal hits that were not called. Thanks for the memories Farve, it was a great year!


    would be better off without favre and peterson
    Those two killed the team more this year than they helped them. I want T Jack!!!!


    Last booth review wrong
    It became clear in OT that the NFL wanted the Saints in the Super Bowl. The ruling on Meacham's catch was wrong, as you could see clearly that the ball hit the ground. However, the Vikes should not have been in OT to begin with, as they should have had a chance to win it with a FG in regulation, but Favre was Favre.


    Refs
    Was it just me or did those replays show we: A- Stopped them on 4th down and B- Meachem dropped that ball? The No Fun League shouldn't of even played this game with the way it was called. Don't get me wrong, we kept shooting ourselves in the foot, but I mean come on. This is the reason why college football does and will always rule this country. Go Colts.
     
     
    #  January 24th, 2010 11:27 PM      kris
    Ah, The Brett Favre Experience, it's a whole lot nicer from the outside looking in.  
     
    #  January 24th, 2010 11:30 PM      kris
    My own sister bitched about the Saints' "dirty" play. It's not flag football. And yes, Joe Buck, that personal foul call on the Saints was total BS.  
     
    #  January 24th, 2010 11:37 PM      james
    Anyone else amused at how Joe Buck argued with Troy Aikman about the call? $10 says Aikman wanted so badly to say, "Oh, really Joe Buck? That's your opinion? How many years did you play in the NFL?"  
     
    #  January 24th, 2010 11:41 PM      james
     
     
    #  January 25th, 2010 12:46 AM      james
    I've watched that last interception about 30 times now. Favre had Berrian wide open on the sideline at about the 35, with room to run. But he ignored the play that would have put them into FG range. Instead, he went for the big play to Rice, across his body, and got picked.

    Had Favre thrown to Berrian, Vikes would have likely won that game.  
     
    #  January 25th, 2010 8:38 AM      kris
    Actually, the Viqueens haven't had the full extent of The Brett Favre Experience yet. That'll happen when he hems and haws about retiring, so they either won't get Donovan McNabb because of that OR they'll get McNabb and Favre will act like a jilted diva again and try to worm his way to AZ.  
     
    #  January 25th, 2010 8:41 AM      james
    Yep. That's what I meant by "hold the team hostage."


    another comment. this one, from another star tribune article. (if you're from minnesota, it's always someone else's fault.)


    Non Calls by NFL officials in big games hurt Vikes yet again!!
    This marks another season ended not only with the Vikings mistakes, but by the officials letting New Orleans hit Favre illegally! There are rules in the NFL to protect the QB: ie. Lowering the helmet to a QB like Sharper did, Hitting a QB low like the play Favre was injured. Where are those critical calls that are so obvious? When will the NFL fine the refs for not making such Obvious calls? Never! The NFL has such control over the game that they make there own rules to break them over and over again! It didn't surprise me the Vikings lost! This happened last year too on a non-call of obvious holding in the endzone allowing the Eagles out of the endzone on a close 16-14 game that would change the momentum of the game had that call been made! The NFL officiating must be made accountable! Granted the game was the Vikings to win over and over had they not fumbled, but I'm sick of the Vikings always having to battle two enemies on the field! The officiating in big games should be microscoped to the nth degree! I really believe the officials wanted Favre to get hurt and leave the game! That was the Saints best shot for a win! Maybe the officials are not to blame, but Roger's way of retaliation at the team for the Williams defiance of their almighty ways!

    posted by koozman on Jan 25, 10 at 8:26 am |
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    #  January 25th, 2010 8:43 AM      kris
    Yes, the NFL had absolutely no interest in promoting a Favre/Manning Super Bowl. Yep, that sounds about right.

    From the comments to a GB Press Gazette article:

    Be careful if you're outside today. You might be hit by one of the tens of thousands of Vike fans leaping off the bandwagon.


    I'd also like to note that I'm wearing black and gold today, just to be an asshole.
     
     
    #  January 25th, 2010 8:47 AM      kris
    Okay, some of the other comments to that article are hilarious:

    How great was it to see good ol' boy Brent get beat to a pulp last night and then throw the pick that losses the game? What a loser! Should have stayed retired, old man! LOL What a friggin' GREAT game!! The looks on Deanna's face were priceless!!


    Brett is who we thought he was again last night!


    You know, my wife, who knows virtually nothing of football, was out grocery shopping and came home just as Minnesota was starting their final drive. I told her it looked like Minnesota was going to win because they didn't have far to go for a field goal, the other team can't seem to stop them, and time was running out so the other team wouldn't likely have any time to try to score. She looked at the TV a minute, recognized Favre, then asked me if that was the guy who kept throwing the ball to the other team when he was with the Packers. When I said yes, she said, "Maybe he'll do it again here", then walked out the room. Two plays later.... Hilarious.


    Which was more pleasurable: (1) The result of the game; (2) the regulation ending interception and drive killer by Favre; (3) watching the Saints beat Favre like a pinata.

    Ooooh, how do you even choose?? I would have to say in order for me would be - #1a. Result of the game (Just so we don't have to deal with how insufferable Queens fans would be if they actually managed to go to, and win, the SB) 1b. Drive killing interception. It's nice to see it happen to someone else! 1c. beaten like pinata. Hopefully it knocks him off of his high horse.
     
     
    #  January 25th, 2010 9:00 AM      james

    this game was rigged
    If you look at any regular season game with penalties etc,they show you the replay,they didnt show that with 12 men on field,they didnt show there guy who didnt make the first down in overtime,ask you saw on reverse angle in air he was short,they showed that once,we didnt get roughing the passer call on Favre behind the legs,the fumbles seemed given to them,look at stats people.come on,Nfl wanted a team that never been to super bowl in,they ruled against us period.

    posted by hobbsmission on Jan. 25, 10 at 7:45 AM |
    3 of 5 people liked this comment.


    These conspiracy theories must be indicative of some sort of mental problem. A very widespread mental disorder centered in the state of Minnesota. Perhaps it's caused by an abundance of the color purple?  
     
    #  January 25th, 2010 9:07 AM      james
    For that matter, who was the 12th man on the field?  
     
    #  January 25th, 2010 9:22 AM      james
    The most racist comment of the day comes from a reader at the Pioneer Press:

    Insider
    Minneapolis, MN
    Reply |Report Abuse|Judge it!|#372 hrs ago

    What a bunch of idiots. Peterson needs to carry the ball like it is the last bucket of KFC on the planet. Favre...well, he has been around long enough to know better to NOT throw a stupid pass like he did when they were in field goal range. The O-line protection sucked. The D-line was weak. Once again we could not mount much for return team coverage. The Saints did not win this, we lost this...in typical Viking fashion. Way to go ladies, way to go.

     
     
    #  January 25th, 2010 9:29 AM      kris
    Stay classy, Minnesota!  
     
    #  January 25th, 2010 9:39 AM      kris
    Chilly on the 12th man  
     
    #  January 25th, 2010 9:42 AM      kris
    From Aaron Nagler on Twitter:

    Really hope Farve gives the Vikings the full treatment and waits until after the draft to decide. I mean, they paid for the whole package.
     
     
    #  January 25th, 2010 9:48 AM      kris
    I remember back in '98/'99 when they lost to the Falcons in the NFC Championship Game. I knew a guy, Eric, who was a huge Vikings fan. He had even traveled to the game and everything. After the game, one of his friends circulated an email. It instructed us to give him a day to mourn and then we were all supposed to bombard him with emails - the email even gave us suggested talking points. It was incredibly cruel, but incredibly funny too.  
     
    #  January 25th, 2010 9:56 AM      james
    Eric the Viking fan? How apropos.  
     
    #  January 25th, 2010 9:59 AM      kris
    Ha! I never even thought of that. Poor Eric, he's actually a really nice guy. Too nice for what the Vikings do to him.

    My friend Tim is a sportswriter and a big Vikings fan. On Facebook he asked "Ah, Vikings. How many times can you break my heart before it shatters?"

    I think the answer is 11.  
     
    #  January 25th, 2010 10:22 AM      james
    I'm loving all of the comments calling for a Peterson trade. I even got a text message during the game that read, "We'll trade you AP for Rodgers, straight up."

    I'll be honest - 2 years ago, I was saying that the Vikes would be best off trading Peterson for a few solid players & draft picks, ala the Herschel Walker deal that laid the foundation for the 90's Cowboys dynasty. But I was wrong - the Vikes managed to put a great team around A.D. I didn't think they could, but they did. Trading him now would be a mistake. Oh, how quickly these fans turn...  
     
    #  January 25th, 2010 10:26 AM      kris
    Seriously, there's not a player in the NFL that I would trade Rodgers for, especially not a RB.

    The NFL is littered with great RBs who never won a Super Bowl. There are very few great QBs who haven't. Marino, Tarkenton, Kelly. Who else?

    It's a QB league, baby and the Packers are sitting pretty and the Vikings are entering the Age 'O Sage.  
     
    #  January 25th, 2010 10:48 AM      james
    What makes a great quarterback? Seems to me that we call a quarterback "great" based on stats, not results.

    Joe Montana: 4 Superbowl wins
    Tom Brady: 3 Superbowl wins
    Ben Roethlisberger: 2 Superbowl wins
    Brett Favre: 1 Superbowl win
    Kurt Warner: 1 Superbowl win
    Trent Dilfer: 1 Superbowl win

    Few would argue that Dilfer is a great QB; the line on him is that his team was great, and he was just along for the ride. (And I'd agree.) But if the conventional wisdom is that "great teams find a way to win," why can't the same be said of great quarterbacks?

    Obviously, every situation is different, and a career can't be summed up by circumstances beyond the QB's control. But it does beg the question - at what point does a so-called great quarterback become a liability, doing more harm than good?

    All gleeful schadenfreude aside, Favre had a great season. There's no denying that. But he's also had a number of seasons in which he threw more INT's than TD's. And more than his fair share of bone-headed season enders. Any other quarterback would have been benched.

    I'm not saying that Favre isn't a great QB. Or that Dilfer is a great QB. But take someone like Kurt Warner - why is Favre considered a shoe-in for the Hall of Fame, while Warner's inclusion isn't as certain?  
     
    #  January 25th, 2010 11:04 AM      kris
    Actually, I think it's the opposite - we call a QB "great" because of results rather than stats. That's because we expect the QB to be the leader of the team too and so team results reflect more on him personally.

    I think you have to go back a bit further in your QBs to guys like Terry Bradshaw. He's "great" and in the Hall of Fame, but the Steelers didn't win because of him. Or what about a guy like Ken Stabler? I'll be honest, I don't really know much about him but I know that the Raiders won Super Bowls with him.

    I think the sports media hypes up everyone to be great or suck when the fact of the matter is is that football is a team sport and sometimes greatness isn't measured in stats it's measured in doing things like not losing.

    There seem to be few QBs that combine the spectacular with the steady. Manning seems to be one. Brady is one and I think Rodgers has the potential to be one.

    Sure, Favre had a great season, but at the end of the day the Vikings went all in and got exactly one game further than they did last year with Tavaris Jackson.

    I don't know about the Warner thing. I think in St. Louis he was seen as a system guy. I honestly think that his game against the Packers may be what puts him over the top and into the Hall. I mean, the guy was frickin' perfect.  
     
    #  January 25th, 2010 11:51 AM      james
    I don't know a lot about Bradshaw, but I wouldn't exactly call him Trent Dilfer.

    The first player chosen in the 1970 draft, Bradshaw led the Steelers to eight AFC Central titles and those four Super Bowl titles. Bradshaw was selected Super Bowl MVP in Super Bowls XIII and XIV. His career stats of 27,879 passing yards and 212 touchdown passes cement his status as one of the game's great quarterbacks, but were also limited by the era in which he played. Nevertheless, I firmly believe Bradshaw is the fifth greatest quarterback of all-time.


    If I'm putting together a list of "Top 5 quarterbacks of all time," something I'm wholly unqualified to do, Brett Favre doesn't make the list. I'm not even sure that Favre makes the top ten. As you said, the QB is seen as the leader of the team. Being a leader is more than just throwing touchdowns. It means handing off when it's in the best interest of the team. It means letting your defense carry the load if the situation warrants. Brett Favre isn't comfortable doing either of these things.

    If we want our great QB's to be hero field generals, they should be the complete package. Favre was great when teamed with Holmgren. Since then, meh, not so much.  
     
    #  January 25th, 2010 11:54 AM      kris
    You know, I was just thinking this morning that I totally underestimated Mike Holmgren. I really hated him after the 2nd Super Bowl because I felt like his courting of Seattle at the time was a distraction. I think my feelings about that have clouded my analysis of him and how important he was to the Packers.

    If Holmgren doesn't leave I think the Favre-era Packers win at least one other Super Bowl, maybe more.

    Damn...I never thought I'd be able to give Holmgren that kind of credit.  
     
    #  January 25th, 2010 12:21 PM      james
    Maybe next season will bring a great Holmgren-Mangini-Favre reunion in Cleveland. Favre could singlehandedly put an end to the Quinn-Anderson QB controversy by taking both of their jobs. Brett Favre, the Jay Leno of the NFL.  
     
    #  January 25th, 2010 12:27 PM      kris
    Oh yeah - NBC should be booking him right now!

    One funny thing was how immediately after the game the Favre Sears ads ran. I don't think Minny finds them so funny or charming anymore.

    Actually, one of my really good friends is a marketing person for Sears in the electronics category, so I probably should shut up. Or just silently applaud him for some excellent placements, at least from a Packer fan's perspective :)  
     
    #  January 25th, 2010 2:46 PM      james
    I think this comment accurately reflects most Minnesotans views on the game.

    I like to call it "The Psyche of a Loser."


    Pervy Harvin says:
    January 25, 2010 3:17 PM
    "Blame Favre? Nah, Blame the Refs

    The final point is one that no unbiased fan can ignore.

    For the entire game, Favre received countless hits, many deemed "late", and only received two official "late hit" penalties in his favor. This might have been the biggest joke of the entire game.

    For a league that has emphasized protecting the quarterback in recent years, especially since Tom Brady was knocked out of the season by a low hit in 2007, it was absolutely disgusting how many free shots the Saints were allowed to get on Favre.

    The low hit to the knees was the most disturbing one, while there were several others that went ignored. In fact, there was even a play when Favre was sacked, but then picked up and driven into the ground.

    The Saints were penalized for that play, but analyst Troy Aikman, a former quarterback, complained that it was a bad call, while fellow analyst Joe Buck disagreed, wisely stating that it was a blatant late hit.

    But that was before Favre's fateful throw.

    The came overtime, where the Saints "marched" down the field, but were truly given three first downs on three separate occasions.

    The three plays in question are a first down given on a "pass interference play," where Ben Leber was covering David Thomas.

    The ball was thrown out of reach, above and past Thomas, making it a controversial call, as the pass was arguably unreachable.

    But more than that, it was a blatant "phantom foul", as Leber hardly ever touched Thomas, and it was clear on tape that Thomas merely tripped as he jumped for a ball that was clearly out of his reach.

    That call gave New Orleans all the momentum and yardage it really needed to claim the game.

    There were also two first down plays, one on fourth down, and another that, had it not been completed, would have resulted in a long third down for the Saints.

    The first was the past to Robert Meachem, who came down with the ball, juggling it on his way to the ground, and then only held possession of the ball after he hit the ground, with the ball slightly bouncing off the turf and into his hands.

    The booth reviewed this play, and despite two of three angles clearly showing that it was not a clear-cut reception, they called it a catch.

    On 4th-and-"inches" (another nice spotted ball for the Saints), New Orleans had Pierre Thomas jump over the top of the pile to get the first down.

    However, a review clearly showed Chad Greenway's helmet hit the ball out of Thomas's hands, sending the ball and Thomas backward, at least a half of a yard shot of the first down.

    The call? First down, Saints.

    There was yet another call, where Saints quarterback Drew Brees ran a quarterback sneak on fourth down, which was again converted, although the line pushed Brees back, and the ball was clearly in his mid-section, and not extended past the first down marker.

    Those four missed calls, three of them reviewed and still not overturned, are what truly lost the Vikings this game, and ultimately gave the Saints their first Super Bowl berth in franchise history."


     
     
    #  January 25th, 2010 3:02 PM      BVBigBro
    I thought the calls went almost exclusively Minnesota's way. The roughing the passer call was, as Aikman pointed out, a bad call. The pass interference call I thought was uncatchable, but this is hard to judge when the interference prevents the receiver from moving towards the ball.

    Meachem's catch was clearly a catch and the ball is never seen to touch the ground. Thomas' first down was a first down all the way. The Brees call went against New Orleans and I thought this was a bad call as Brees appeared to have the first down on replay.



     
     
    #  January 25th, 2010 3:10 PM      kris
    I hope that that attitude is being shouted down by more rational fans. I mean, lots of Packer fans were bitching the day after the Cardinal game too, but there were just as many people saying that a) we were lucky to be in OT and b) we couldn't stop them and didn't deserve to win.

    I'm sure there must be some Vikings fans out there saying they lost because they coughed the ball up too many times. Right? Bueller?  
     

     

     


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